tbaangel-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 18 Today's Topics: RE: RE: hello again review page... Koki desu Re: Cookie Lovers, HO! Re: Sunday's Episode Re: Sunday's Episode Not-an-intro. & eps I want to see.... Re: Cookie Lovers, HO! Re: Not-an-intro. & eps I want to see.... Re: Intro - repost Re: TV Guide Intro webpage TBAA LIST ADMIN: PL *not* on topic RE: Not-an-intro. & eps I want to see.... Re: REMOVE FROM LIST Re: Not-an-intro & eps I want to see... My TBAA Introduction Re: The Oprah show RE: Not-an-intro & eps I want to see... People Magazine Re: eps I want to see... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 10:53:37 -0800 From: Kevin Brown To: "tbaangel @ . .execpc.com" , "'Finabair @ . .addy.com'" Subject: RE: RE: hello again MSG.dns.addy.com> I apologize if that was testy. It wasn't meant to be. I'm just curious about the comment because it sound like someone saying they didn't want to watch it without having ever seen it. Sorry. -Kev > ---------- > From: Finabair @ . .addy.com[SMTP:Finabair @ . .addy.com] > Sent: Monday, March 24, 1997 9:09 PM > To: tbaangel @ . .execpc.com > Subject: Re: RE: hello again > > > > PS To both Kevins, do I have to watch PL so that I can critically > >Why not? Is there something you have against it without having > watched > > Uh, folks...this is sounding a mite testy...if you want to debate > whether or > not you have the right to dislike a show and what the prerequisites > for being > allowed to dislike a show are, could you do that in private mail? > Thanks. > > Take care, > > Jennie > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 15:53:50 -0500 (EST) From: IDyeForYou @ . .addy.com To: tbaangel @ . .execpc.com Subject: review page... Hi everyone, you can now go to the Amazon Bookstore web site...and review the angel book online for others to read. I encourage you to go..vote...and review. the url is below... http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/user-review-form/0310213975/9202-4701322-941 166 Susan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 17:17:00 -0500 From: Jack Koke To: tbaangel @ . .execpc.com Subject: Koki desu Hello, my name is Jack. But my family calls me Jackson. I am a 26 year old (3-15) double graduate of the University of Tennessee. I hold a B.S. in Zoology and a M.S. in Curriculum and Instruction. I am the Circulation Clerk at Glass Memorial Library at Johnson Bible College. I grew up only a mile away from Johnson and still live at home. I have one brother who is married and has two wonderful children (can you tell I am a proud uncle). But my best friend in the whole world I consider my twin sister. I have many different interests. I enjoy reading (fantasy-C.S. Lewis to Andrea Norton, mysteries-the "Cat Who" series is my favorite, historical fiction- Japanese mainly.) I am an avid gardener, I have have eight rised beds of nothing but flowers. And my family always puts out a vegetable garden as well. I like sci-fi - Dr. Who and All Star Treks. I am a collector of anything oriental. I also have a minor in asian civilaztion. My television viewing interest is varied also. I watch the British comedies on public t.v., The Pretender, Early Edition, (Yes I know they come on at the same time but I still watch both of them. And no I don't tape either of them.), The X-files, Star Trek DS-9 and Voyager, Some sitcoms, and the historical fictions (Xena, Hercules et al.). And of course Touched by an Angel and Promised Land (yes I like them both). I have been raised as a Christian from birth. I attend the same church I did when I was young. The same church that my family helped build. So you can just image that I would like TBAA. But to be honest, I did not watch the first season. About a year before TBAA came on I had gotten interested in its precursor staring John Schinder (sorry about the spelling if it is wrong). I really enjoyed the show, but only after 6 or 7 shows it was cancelled. So when TBAA came on I didn't want to get involved with it and then for it to get cancelled as well. But when it was renewed for another year, I decided to give it a try. And I fell in love with it from the very first. Even as a life long Christian, I find it very moving and unplifted. I especially find it encouraging to hear Our Lord's Message spoken on television where you here so many negative things. I do want to bring up one point about an email I read when I first joined the list (which was only a few days ago). In the email, the writer states that they feel that what the angels are going to say is starting to be very predictible. Well it is not so much predictible as it is simple. The message that Our Lord has for us is the He Loves Us. His message is simple and dosen't need to be elaborate. So when you watch the shows and feel that you know what Monica is about to say, know that it is not that she is being predictible but that she is being honest. GOD DOSE LOVE EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US. I don't mean to sound preachy, so if I do please forgive me. I know you are probably tired of reading this essay by now (sorry but I get long winded when I write or when I talk for that matter) so I will end. But before I go, I just wanted to say that in reading some of the other intros, I noticed that several of you also share some of my interests. If any of you want to email me to talk about those other interests feel free to do so. Or if anyone wants to email me directly feel free. I would love to hear from any of you who want to write me. IN CHRIST'S NAME AND LOVE FOREVER Jackson Jaa Mata (japanese for see you later) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 19:28:21 -0500 (EST) From: JCWEAVER @ . .addy.com To: Tim_Chambers @ . .col.hp.com, tbaangel @ . .execpc.com Subject: Re: Cookie Lovers, HO! :( p NOT TBAA MATERIAL! JCWEAVER ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 20:24:41 -0500 (EST) From: Signpraise @ . .addy.com To: tbaangel @ . .execpc.com Subject: Re: Sunday's Episode Marianne, I think that you were right to tell your mother those words...it probably comforted both of you at the same time...But now, God blessed you even further by allowing you to hear a beautiful story of your mother greeting another one of God's children at the end of that beautiful light(Heaven). When my uncle died of cancer two years ago shortly before Christmas we too wondered if he had "made it in." (Gone home to heaven) He would always make jokes about God and Jesus Christ...we would try to talk to him about the Lord all the time, but he would always laugh. When he got very sick, however, he never refused prayer when he was in the hospital. He used to live alone and came out to our house to stay two weeks before he had to go into the hospital...After he died, we went to clean his apt(really it was one room in a boarding house) On his night stand we saw propped up (purposely so that my mom and my aunt would not miss seeing it) one piece of paper that had the sheet music to "It Is Well With My Soul!" For us as christians, that brought us so much comfort....I have no doubts that one day we will see him again in that by and by...I do not think you are crazy at all...I think God allowed the other women to share her story with you so that you too would know that one day you Will see your mother again in that by and by...Be blessed and remember how much he loves you! Judy Signpraise @ . .addy.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 20:25:36 -0500 (EST) From: Signpraise @ . .addy.com To: tbaangel @ . .execpc.com Subject: Re: Sunday's Episode In a message dated 97-03-24 10:56:58 EST, you write: << rom: Mariann[SMTP:weiler25 @ . .addy.com] > > I had always wondered if saying "go into the light" was the right > > thing. It bothered me for years. What do you guys think? Very little done out of love and concern can be wrong. If it put her at ease, it was the right thing. > > Gosh, I really hope you guys don't > > think I'm nuts for telling you this. HARDLY! This is a great event to hear about! >>Amen sister!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 19:34:48 -0600 (CST) From: gryphon @ . addy.com To: tbaangel @ . .execpc.com Subject: Not-an-intro. & eps I want to see.... My name is Diane, I'm the nuts-and-bolts half (ListNanny) of the listowner team for the TBAAngel list, and that's all I'm gonna tell you about me. You want to find out more, read my webpage. I will, though, tell you why I like Touched By An Angel. Like several other people I know, I initially resisted watching it because I assumed it would either treat the concept as inherently absurd (like all those so-called ghost stories where the ghost turns out, in the end, to be an ordinary mortal in a rubber suit) or, more likely, be a vehicle for pushing the producer's particular religious viewpoint down the viewer's throat. Since I would have considered the former an insult to my personal religious views and the latter an insult to my ability to think for myself, I avoided the show for two full seasons. Fortunately, a good friend kept watching episodes whenever I came to visit, and my resistance was gradually worn down. I think it was the second (third?) time I sat through "Interview with an Angel" that I was finally able to disconnect my prejudices long enough to really *see* what they were doing, and I liked it. I especially admire the way the writers and actors manage to tread that thin line between making the angels real and believable as Messengers of God and pushing a particular doctrine or set of beliefs. It would have been fatally easy for the writers to have Tess, Monica, Andrew, et al start preaching *at* thier assignments instead of "guiding them in the way they should go" while leaving the mortals free to make their own choices and mistakes. The fact that they've maintained the balance as well as they have for three seasons says a great deal about how much the whole cast and crew care about what they're doing, and it's frankly one of the main reasons I keep watching. (It's also the thing I dislike most about what little I've seen of the Russ Greene character from Promised Land. He seems to be far too willing to "lay down the law" to {ie-- push *his* views on} everybody around him, regardless of their own wishes or beliefs.) OK, now for a discussion topic, just to shake things up a little : One thing I would dearly love to see is an episode where a human the angels are sent to help *doesn't* believe the angels are angels and therefore rejects their message from honest doubt. I think it's bound to happen, sooner or later. Two obvious possibilities for this: a "rationalist" who refuse to believe anything s/he can't prove empirically, because you can't *prove* God. (You can't prove love, or trust, or beauty, either, but they're real, too. ) Or someone with a history of schizophrenia or hallucinations (LSD use has been known to cause flashbacks years later) might quite honestly doubt that they're seeing what they're seeing and hearing what they're hearing. A schizophrenic in recovery, who saw/heard "demons" or "devils" telling them to do bad things when they were ill (a very common hallucination) might very well assume the "angels" were just another manifestation of their illness, and promptly check themselves into a hospital for medication adjustment. :) I'd really like to see Monica and Tess deal with that issue. Especially Tess, because she's such fun to watch when she's frustrated. ;) Whatcha think? Diane E # "Nothing that is made by God is queer." Monica, TBAA # # D Echelbarger gryphon @ . addy.com # # WWW HomePage: # # Join the new Touched By An Angel mailing list! # # .tbaangel.html # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 20:37:44 -0500 (EST) From: Finabair @ . .addy.com To: tbaangel @ . .execpc.com Subject: Re: Cookie Lovers, HO! For those of you who weren't on the list of people that received the original note this was in response to, don't worry about it. The note was *not* sent to this list, it was sent to a bunch of individual addresses. :-) Carry on! Take care, Jennie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 19:40:11 -0600 (CST) From: gryphon @ . addy.com To: tbaangel @ . .execpc.com Subject: Re: Not-an-intro. & eps I want to see.... On Tue, 25 Mar 1997, gryphon @ . addy.com wrote: >One thing I would dearly love to see is an episode where a human the >angels are sent to help *doesn't* believe the angels are angels and >therefore rejects their message from honest doubt. Forgot to add, I do think that the human should be convinced by the end of the episode. It would be watching the angels figure out *how* to convince the honestly doubting human that would be fun. :) Diane E # "Nothing that is made by God is queer." Monica, TBAA # # D Echelbarger gryphon @ . addy.com # # WWW HomePage: . # # Join the new Touched By An Angel mailing list! # # .tbaangel.html # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 20:47:02 -0500 (EST) From: Signpraise @ . .addy.com To: tbaangel @ . .execpc.com Subject: Re: Intro - repost In a message dated 97-03-25 06:31:12 EST, you write: << In closing...remember that whatever your similarities..whatever your differences.. What's in the heart defines the measure of a man.....God rejoices in the condition of the heart. God Bless, Susan ****************************************************************************** ***************** "If you only see with your eyes - you never really see" Amen Susan...well said! Judy >> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 21:10:39 -0500 (EST) From: Signpraise @ . .addy.com To: tbaangel @ . .execpc.com Subject: Re: TV Guide In a message dated 97-03-25 14:25:08 EST, you write: << I just picked up next week's TV Guide and there is an interview with Della, Roma, John and Martha in it. Thought you all might be interested. Dorothy >> Thanks Dorothy...I've been hunting and searching for the past two weeks in the TV Guide, only for you to tell me...Thanks a Bunch!!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 21:39:13 -0600 (CST) From: gryphon @ . addy.com To: tbaangel @ . .execpc.com Subject: Intro webpage OK, Jennie and I have discussed it, and we'll be putting up a "members" webpage for the list. I'm planning on indexing it by e-mail address, to make it easier for people to figure out who's posting what. If you've posted an intro to the list since Jennie suggested it, and you *don't* want to be on the webpage, e-mail me (NOT the list) and say so. If you didn't post (or re-post) an intro in the last two days, and want one in the Members' Archive, send it to me. If you don't want to post one or put one on the webpage, you are, of course, not obligated to do so... :) I'll let you all know when it's ready. I just finished updating the digest archives, so it should be fairly soon, if we can get AOL to cooperate with uploading the files. Diane E # "Nothing that is made by God is queer." Monica, TBAA # # D Echelbarger gryphon @ . addy.com # # WWW HomePage: . # # Join the new Touched By An Angel mailing list! # # .tbaangel.html # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 00:34:22 -0500 (EST) From: Finabair @ . .addy.com To: TBAAngel @ . .execpc.com Subject: TBAA LIST ADMIN: PL *not* on topic OK, since the question was raised I've been considering the notion of allowing TBAA's sister show, Promised Land (PL), as a regular topic on this list. Up until now, since I hadn't made a decision, it was OK to post about PL, but I have now decided that it is off topic for us. I simply don't have the time and energy to mediate both topics at the same time. However, when there is a TBAA *crossover* with PL, it is OK to discuss PL within the context of the crossover show. If anyone is interested in setting up their own list for Promised Land, I'll be happy to help you out if I can. If anyone has questions about this policy, please e-mail me privately. Take care, Jennie finabair @ . .addy.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 21:53:29 -0800 From: Kevin Brown To: "tbaangel @ . .execpc.com" , "'gryphon @ . addy.com'" Subject: RE: Not-an-intro. & eps I want to see.... MSG.dns.addy.com> > From: gryphon @ . addy.com[SMTP:gryphon @ . addy.com] > > OK, now for a discussion topic, just to shake things up a little > : > > > > One thing I would dearly love to see is an episode where a human the > > > angels are sent to help *doesn't* believe the angels are angels and > > therefore rejects their message from honest doubt. I think it's > bound > > to happen, sooner or later. They've sort of done this at least once. I think it was twice. The father/son death row episode. They mentioned that Tess tried to change the father's future and he rejected her and ended up in prison. The back of my mind tells me there was another but it won't tell me what it is. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 08:52:37 -0500 (EST) From: Rkayecomp @ . .addy.com To: tbaangel @ . .execpc.com Subject: Re: REMOVE FROM LIST Please remove my name from the TBAA list! Thank You ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 09:08:45 -0500 From: Jack Koke To: tbaangel @ . .execpc.com Subject: Re: Not-an-intro & eps I want to see... Earlier you wrote that > It would have >been fatally easy for the writers to have Tess, Monica, Andrew, et al >start preaching *at* thier assignments instead of "guiding them in the >way they should go" while leaving the mortals free to make their own >choices and mistakes. And then you followed up by saying >(It's also the thing I dislike >most about what little I've seen of the Russ Greene character from >Promised Land. He seems to be far too willing to "lay down the law" to >{ie-- push *his* views on} everybody around him, regardless of their own >wishes or beliefs.) One thing that we all should keep in mind about the two shows is this. In TBAA, Monica, Tess, and Andrew have certain guidelines that they must follow because they are angels. Angels serve the Lord, and therefore since God gives us mortals free will to make our own decisions so must his angels. That is why Monica, Tess, and Andrew seem to lead people to the right decision, whereas Russell Greene is not under the same constraints. He is one of us, a mortal. He has free will himself. Therefore he can be "preachy" if he wants to be. As mortals and Christians, it is our responsibility to lead people to the Lord. And sometimes we have to be a little "preachy" to get the job done. Plus Russell can't come out and say "I am a mortal sent by God to tell you He loves you" while a heavenly light shines on him. He simply has to work in a different fashion. I am not saying you are wrong for feeling the way you do about the show. Because everyone has the right to there own opinion. But I do ask that don't belittle it either, because it to has the same purpose of bringing people to the Lord. IN CHRIST NAME AND HIS LOVE FOREVER Jackson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 09:11:53 -0500 From: Jan Plemons To: Tbaangel @ . .execpc.com Subject: My TBAA Introduction My name is Jan and I will be 27 in June. I am a Christian and I have been watching TBAA since its first episode (although I have missed a couple of episodes). I live in Knoxville, Tennessee and I work in the library of a Bible College. I am married and I have a son who will be 3 this summer. In addition to TBAA, I also like to watch Home Improvement, Promise Land, ER, Diagnosis Murder, Family Matters, and Walker, Texas Ranger. I also enjoy watching NASCAR and Jeff Gordon, Morgan Shepherd, and Darrill Waltrip are my favorite drivers. My favorite TBAA episode is the Christmas episode with Randy Travis. I look forward to getting to know each of you and sharing our views on TBAA. Jan Be imitators of God, therefore, as dearly loved children and live a life of love, just as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us as a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God. Ephesians 5:1-2 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 11:03:21 -0500 From: Jan Plemons To: Tbaangel @ . .execpc.com Subject: Re: The Oprah show At 07:46 PM 3/22/97 -0500, you wrote: >>From the Oprah listing for Friday March 28th....... > >**All programming is subject to change.** > >Cast of "Touched By An Angel" (PG) > >Early critics may have scoffed at this inspirational drama, but "Touched By >An Angel" gets the last laugh. Thanks for letting us know! I want to see how Oprah interacts with the cast. I get the impression that she does not have a very strong faith in God. I've noticed in a lot of shows if someone makes the comment that God saw them through a particular situation, she will say something like "Ok, but how were you really able to survive?" Jan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 09:27:38 -0800 From: Kevin Brown To: "tbaangel @ . .execpc.com" , "'Jack Koke'" Subject: RE: Not-an-intro & eps I want to see... MSG.dns.addy.com> > > From: Jack Koke[SMTP:jkoke @ . .addy.edu] > Therefore he can be > > "preachy" if he wants to be. As mortals and Christians, it is our > > responsibility to lead people to the Lord. And sometimes we have to > be a > > little "preachy" to get the job done. I'll quote Cosby again: The best time to kick someone is when they're down. It gives them an incentive to get up. > > But I do ask that > > don't belittle it either, because it to has the same purpose of > bringing > > people to the Lord. Amen. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 13:47:48 -0500 (EST) From: IDyeForYou @ . .addy.com To: tbaangel @ . .execpc.com Subject: People Magazine Hi all... Looks like there will be an upcoming article in People...within the next several weeks...not sure of the date..but be on the lookout... Susan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 16:39:17 -0600 (CST) From: Di Sudduth To: tbaangel @ . .execpc.com Subject: Re: eps I want to see... >I especially admire the way the writers and actors manage to tread that >thin line between making the angels real and believable as Messengers of >God and pushing a particular doctrine or set of beliefs. Diane, you have the most incredible way of phrasing things that I think but can't quite put into words. And you did it again in your post when you talked about Mr. Greene and PL. >OK, now for a discussion topic, just to shake things up a little : Cool! >One thing I would dearly love to see is an episode where a human the >angels are sent to help *doesn't* believe the angels are angels and >therefore rejects their message from honest doubt. Good premise. I'd even like them to *not* show the "preliminary" angel-work in the episode. Maybe a flashback. To explain, most TBAA episodes have Monica learning about her assignment, we watch the interractions, there's the "revelation" part, then the follow-up. Working from Diane's idea, what if we came in on the episode with either Monica or Andrew worrying to Tess that the human doesn't *believe*. If we skip all the stuff up to the revelation scene it could really focus on the angels' reactions. I think Monica, with her gift of "truth", would have a particularly hard time dealing with it. I'd also like to see them do an episode where the angels are sent to help an athiest. There was one episode somewhere with a line something like, "I've met people before who didn't believe in angels, but I've never before met one that didn't want to." Might have been in Jacob's Ladder, but I'm not sure. Anyway, I'd like to see our angels actually meet and help someone who was a well-educated athiest who stayed true to their beliefs and never did believe in the angels or God. Saw the revelations, thanked the angels for the help, but still rejected the "from God" message. I think it would be a *very* difficult episode to write to portray both sides convincingly, and without offending either the devoutly religious or the athiest communities, but TBAA has walked some fine lines before and I'd like to see them give it a go. Not my original intention, but I suspect that my second idea will open a rather large can of worms. If it *does* get discussion on list, please, everyone, try to curtail your emotions and not get *too* inflamitory, OK? Di <*> sudduthdj @ . .addy.edu -------------------------------- End of tbaangel-d Digest V97 Issue #18 **************************************