tbaangel-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 43 Today's Topics: Fwd: TBAA and other tv shows Re: tbaangel-d Digest V97 #42 Heartwarming Touched by an Angel Re: Fwd: TBAA and other tv shows Re: TBAA and other tv shows Re:TBAA and other tv shows Re: Heartwarming Touched by an Angel Re: TBAA and other tv shows As I watch TBAA Angel Story :) Tonight's ep-- nattering as I watch. Tonight's episode TBAA and angel Stuff Re: Tonight's episode RE: Tonight's episode RE: Tonight's episode Re: TBAA and angel Stuff John Schneider comment Re: As I watch TBAA Unidentified subject! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 17:28:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Finabair @ . . .addy.com To: tbaangel @ . . .execpc.com Subject: Fwd: TBAA and other tv shows Forwarding. :-) Jennie --------------------- Forwarded message: From: deeady @ . . .addy..com (deelady) To: tbaangel @ . . .execpc.com ('tbaangel @ . . .execpc.com') Date: 97-04-20 17:21:04 EDT I just had to share an interesting experience with you all. It's a very sad tale. Today on our way home from church, there were police everywhere. I asked my sister what was going on (they have a scanner), and eventually we pieced this story together. There were two young children (12 and 14, and we think related) who had gotten upset with someone (why or over what we're not sure), and decided to take matters in their own hands. They created a bomb out of flairs and gunpower and a battery, and placed it under this person's Brono. This could have turned out much worse, except that the police just happen to cruse by and catch them placing it under the vehicle. The kids, seeing the police, took off running, and the police pursued and caught them. They ended up returning to the scene and having to call the bomb squad to remove the bomb. When they asked these kids where they learned how to make such a contraption, the kids told them it was from the tv show McGyver (not sure how it's actually spelt)!! The last we heard, the kids were taken home, and when the police returned to the home later to question them further, both the children and the mother have "disappeared" (we heard they hastly put some clothes together and left). Now they are looking for this family. Can you believe such?!! It saddens me that things like this have become a part of our everyday life, instead of the exception. I have a three yr old and I often wonder what's in store for his life. And to think that they learned all this from watching a tv show!! Even the news today has become a source for "how-to's". I am sooo very thankful that Martha Williamson did not follow through with the original idea for TBAA. It is the one program that I believe instills what tv should be all about. While they touch on subjects such as abuse, alcoholism, racism, violence, they do not promote it, by showing people how to go about being these type of people, but instead show how someone can change from such a life, to a life the way God ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 97 07:33:57 +1200 From: dave hartly To: tbaangel @ . . .execpc.com Subject: Re: tbaangel-d Digest V97 #42 Hi all, i Find Touched by an Angel, a radiantly heartwarming and wonderful show, I have been following it form the very Start. Only Roma could be Monica, Touched by an Angel for me helps heal the hurt and helps me to understand. also to try to knwo why things happen the way they do, i could never miss a show and try tp post to as many areas as i can here "downunder" in Wellington New Zealand. it is wonderful also to hear how well it is rateing over there 12 million homes can not be wrong. wishing you all well dave ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 97 07:37:37 +1200 From: dave hartly To: tbaangel @ . . .execpc.com Subject: Heartwarming Touched by an Angel hopefully you all got my last message, as a footnote , i think the best thing to say t people when they say,about why see tells them she is amn angel? is twofold, she has to tell the truth and she knows who she is , but also when some people go on about it i say,simply this Did you ever meet anyone that did not Want to belive in Angels.? , that will do the trick, while tbaa is on the lonelyness and quietness are not so bad and i forget for a while, i being a romantic love shows like tbaa and most people and girl around me are not into it here, they laugh instead, well the single ones do. i am to quiet and conservative i guess, girls today only like guys that party and nightclub hard and get drunk all the time, where as i like going for short walks and talking about tbaa and pride and prujudice and other 18Th and 19th centery romantic dramas wishing you all well form downunder new zealand ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 17:47:16 -0500 (CDT) From: gryphon @ . . addy.com To: tbaangel @ . . .execpc.com Subject: Re: Fwd: TBAA and other tv shows On Sun, 20 Apr 1997, deeady @ . . .addy..com wrote: > When they asked these kids where they learned how to make such a >contraption, the kids told them it was from the tv show McGyver (not >sure how it's actually spelt)!! Then it wouldn't have worked. The people in charge of that show were always careful (I'm told) to fudge details so that stupid viewers (and yes, I consider anyone who'd take an obvious adventure-fantasy show like _MacGyver_ as a bible for bomb-making stupid) wouldn't be able to use the info to hurt themselves or others.. And MacGyver was always using his "contraptions" to *help* people and was fanatically non-violent, so while these kids may have watched the show, they obviously missed the point. > I am sooo very thankful that Martha Williamson did not follow >through with the original idea for TBAA. So am I, because it sounded intellectually insulting and vapid. > While they touch on subjects such as abuse, >alcoholism, racism, violence, they do not promote it, They don't just not promote it, they actually teach *against* it. Your comparison makes it obviousl you never watched _MacGyver_, though. He was the most PC character in the history of TV, bar none. Whatever those kids "learned" from MacGyver, it was *not* that blowing up people is the way to solve your problems. (I've got a friend who is fanatical about this show, so I feel obliged to defend it.) I don't know, though, that our society as a whole has gotten more violent. I think it's just, in part, that we hear more about it. I mean, 100 yrs ago you only heard about what happened in your own town, maybe in the nearest big city. Now, turn on the news or open a newspaper and you hear about every horror taking place around the world, in gruesome, technicolor detail. Which is why I almost never watch the evening news. The constant blather of disaster after disaster has a depressing effect on my attitude toward the world. TBAA is a nice counter to that. It shows humans (most of them) at their best, facing up to and dealing with their problems in ways that don't hurt other people, and reminds all of us that even people who seem pretty unpleasant on the surface (some of the barflys in the Wish episode) usually have a core of essential decency. The good people *do* outnumber the bad in this world, and if TBAA helps all of us remember that, then I think it'll have done a great deal of good. Diane E # "Hydrogen. A light, colorless, odorless gas which, given # # enough time, turns into people." _The Astronomers_ # # D Echelbarger gryphon @ . . addy.com # # WWW HomePage: . # ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 19:19:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Finabair @ . . .addy.com To: TBAAngel @ . . .execpc.com Subject: Re: TBAA and other tv shows Since Diana asked about spelling, it's MacGyver. And oddly enough, one of the things they were careful to do on that show was to leave something out of the 'bombs' and etc. so that nobody *could* make a bomb from a recipe they got on the show. I used to love to watch that show and try to work out what was missing. Which means either the bomb the kids built wouldn't quite work or they got the actual information somewhere else. Interesting explanation for them to give, tho. >what's in store for his life. And to think that they learned all this from watching a tv show!! Even the news >today has become a source for "how-to's". I agree that it is sad to see things like this, but I find it saddest that it seems to have become acceptable to find a scapegoat like television (or alcohol, or so many other things) to explain it away when we do something wrong. By using TV as an 'excuse' the kids managed to get many people outraged at how irresponsible TV is instead of being outraged at how irresponsible the kids were. Attention was no longer focussed exclusively on them and what they'd done, it was divided between them and a TV program. The information on *how* to make bombs is out there for anyone to find with a little research. Now, this would make an interesting TBAA episode, speaking of eps we'd like to see. :-) Then again, this is one of the things I find truly remarkable about TBAA - the fact that it is one of the few shows I have seen where the characters always have to take responsibility for their lives, both the good and the bad. And when I say responsibility, I *mean* that. They aren't expected to beat themselves up over every little 'bad' thing they've done, nor are they allowed to run and hide from them. They are expected to take responsibility (with God's help) to improve things, and to avoid making those same mistakes in the future. Even to help other people avoid the same mistakes. The show is very realistic in portraying how destructive it can be to avoid responsibility *or* to dwell on our mistakes to the point of incapacitating ourselves. All IMHO, of course. :-) Take care, Jennie finabair @ . . .addy.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 19:50:34 -0400 From: deelady To: "'tbaangel @ . . .execpc.com'" Subject: Re:TBAA and other tv shows Gryphon wrote: >>Then it wouldn't have worked. The people in charge of that show were = always careful<< I think what had the police worried is that the kids placed the thing = by the gas tank and they were more afraid of igniting the gunpowder.=20 >>Your comparison makes it obviousl you never watched _MacGyver_, = though. << Yes, I have, but it's been sooo long that I have forgotten what it was = all about. =20 =09 >>Which is why I almost never watch the evening news. The constant = blather of disaster after disaster has a depressing effect on my = attitude toward the world.<< Mine too. When I watch tv (Which I seldom do), it's for enjoyment. = Except for TBAA, which I watch not only for enjoyment (not only because = I like the show so much, but because John is sooo Adorable:)), but for = the messages they give on the show. There have been very few episodes = that I have not "gained" something from. Finabair wrote: >>By using TV as an 'excuse' the kids managed to get many people outraged at how irresponsible TV is instead of being outraged at how irresponsible the kids were.<< I certainly didn't mean to imply that it was *all* the shows fault. I = definately agree it was the irresponsiblitiy of the kids, and for that = matter their parent (I mean, what kind of example are you setting for = your kids when if you or they get in "trouble" you run, instead of stand = up and face the music!). Basically, I just think there is too much crap = on tv for our young people to learn from. I mean I use to like alot of = shows, but because of how much violence or cussing ...etc they'd show I = quit watching, as it was affecting my mind, as well as my little ones. =20 =09 >>They are expected to take responsibility (with God's help) to improve = things, and to avoid making those same mistakes in the future. Even to = help other people avoid the same mistakes.<< I agree, and it's true for my own life as well. I have made many many = mistakes, and been through a type of "hell on earth", and I have = recently been told (the correct term I think was prophised over) that = within a year I will be using my life and its "stories" to help and heal = others, which for me is the ultimate "reward", to be able to give back = what others were able to give to me. =20 But this is MHO. :) I will be happy to do whatever it is God has = planed for my life. =20 =09 Well, enough for now, TBAA is soon to come on and I must get the vcr = ready. Will keep this thing up if anyone wants to converse while it's = on (of course it'll be during the comercials). BTW, Jennie, yes I did get the "l" back into deelady. I typed it wrong = in the setup, so it was sending it wrong. On of these days I'll have = mastered "gremlin" (the name for my pc). TTFN Diana deelady ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 19:56:15 -0400 (EDT) From: SMGMN @ . . .addy.com To: tbaangel @ . . .execpc.com cc: SMGMN @ . . .addy.com Subject: Re: Heartwarming Touched by an Angel Hey, I think that it's really neat having a fellow TBAA fan all the way from New Zealand joining us here on the list! It just goes to show what a huge and far reaching audience that the show truely does "touch"! A TBAA fan always, Sue ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 19:58:20 -0400 (EDT) From: SMGMN @ . . .addy.com To: tbaangel @ . . .execpc.com Subject: Re: TBAA and other tv shows What exactly was meant about MacGyver being the "most PC character on TV"? A TBAA fan always, Sue ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 20:17:33 -0400 From: deelady To: "'tbaangel @ . . .execpc.com'" Subject: As I watch TBAA My favorite line ..... Andrew: " oh so I worked for you?" LOFL!!! Diana deelady ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 19:22:49 -0500 (CDT) From: Amber Elaine Green <00219002 @ . . .addy.addy.edu> To: tbaangel @ . . .execpc.com Subject: Angel Story :) Hello, My name is Amber Green. This is the first time that I have wrote anything on here. I am 19 and have watched the show from the start. I am a Biology Major at University at Lincoln. This is a story that was told to me by a friend: If you do not believe in angels after reading this you might. A little girl at the age of 2 was digosned with cancer. When the girl was in the hospital at the age of 5 because of complications with the cancer. Her mother was talking to the girl about dieing and not to be afraid of it. Trying to explain this to a 5 year old would have been hard. The mother had left the room because the girl was going to go to sleep for the night. The next morning the little girl woke up and told her mother that she was no longer scare of dieing. Her mother asked why? The little girl said that a little girl in a pink dress that was an angel talked to me and told me not to be scare of death. The mother thought that the little girl had imagined it because of all the medicine that she was on. The next day the little girl died. At the cemetary where they buried her, the mother started to cry more. Right next to where her daughter was buried there was a grave stone with a little girl's picture on it and she was wearing a pink dress... Had the little girl in the hospital seen an angel... Yes, I feel that angels do exist and if you are even so lucky to see one on this earth you should feel really honored!!! Bye, Amber Green :-) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 19:58:11 -0500 (CDT) From: gryphon @ . . addy.com To: tbaangel @ . . .execpc.com Subject: Tonight's ep-- nattering as I watch. They never show the name. How annoying. This is a fun ep. I missed it first time around. Lots of humor, like Ulysses' offering the Secret Service agent his bait, or Andrew's comment about Monica saying "Please" to the candy machine. But *wow*! Monica can sure throw a good body block! Where'd she learn that? And Andrew wasn't exactly gentle with the gunman when he handcuffed him, was he? I didn't know angels could play that rough! In fact, I almost didn't recognize him, between his hair being pulled back that tight and the way he reacted. Interesting that watching Ulysses throw the fish back finally cracked through her shell, isn't it? Her motivation's a little cliched (Daddy never paid attention to me, so I'm gonna fight to make everybody else notice me) but it also rings true. And how did I know who was gonna get shot as soon as that gun went off? Oh, well, I can forgive them for the predictable plot twists. Gee, she and Ulysses sure have hit it off, haven't they? Hmmm... the Senator doesn't even ask how Ulysses is, does he? I'd have expected him to at least ask, wouldn't you? After all, the man was wounded in an attempt on his life. And now Marty's finally gotten what she always wanted, she can admit she needed help to get there. That's nice. Hmmmm.... do you have any idea what the odds are that Marty's tissue would be compatible with Ulysses'? (Yes, I know, God can do anything. But the odds are simply incredible.) Oh, so if Marty donates a kidney, she can't be bodyguard to the president? That's interesting. It makes a sort of sense, I suppose. And it makes her dillema much harder. Give up her dream or give up her friend. Nasty choice. Well, at least they mentioned that she was tissue-matched. And I'm not at all surprised that Ulysses told her not to do it, but this being TBAA, it's almost certain she won't listen. Eventually. Oh, ****! Andrew in a white suit and a glow is *not* a good thing to see at this stage. "My own personal angel. And a woman. Why?" I love that! That is absolutely appropriate for Marty! "I'm just an angel, Marty, I'm not God." And *that* is very Monica. I love that little shrug Andrew gives before he leaves the room. That "I'm not gonna be needed, and I'm *glad*" shrug. Uh-oh.. is Hammond gonna turn out to be a jerk after all? (Silly me, this is TBAA!) Ooo... he's offering to "pull strings" for her. And she's turning it down! Talk about rearranged priorities! Hmm... wouldn't she make a dynamite security officer? HEY, TBAA! How about a spin-off? ;> Good ep. Wonder if they'll ever do a show where the human doesn't come around, and they (and the angels) have to live with the consequences? I could see Monica really beating herself up over failing her assignment. In fact, that would be a good place for the episode to start... the assignment having something horrible happen because they wouldn't listen to Monica, and Monica going all depressed over it. Like in the bar, only worse. Then the rest of the episode could be Tess and Andrew (and Sam, and all sorts of other people) trying to convince her she's not a failure as an angel because she "lost one". Diane E # "Hydrogen. A light, colorless, odorless gas which, given # # enough time, turns into people." _The Astronomers_ # # D Echelbarger gryphon @ . . addy.com # # WWW HomePage: . # ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 21:42:01 -0400 From: deelady To: "'tbaangel @ . . .execpc.com'" Subject: Tonight's episode Gryphon wrote: >>But *wow*! Monica can sure throw a good body block! Where'd she learn = that? And Andrew wasn't exactly gentle with the gunman when he=20 handcuffed him, was he? I didn't know angels could play that rough! In fact, I almost didn't recognize him, between his hair being pulled=20 back that tight and the way he reacted.<< Yea, I wonder if Monica had a stunt person or if she really did body = slam that guy!! The first time I saw this episode I didn't recognize = Andrew either, I think this was the first time I saw him with his hair = pulled back. And the funniest comment was my Mom (who generally hates = guys with long hair) saying she thought he looked better with his hair = pulled back!! Sometimes I wonder if I truely am my mother's child??!! = (I prefer men with their hair down :)). I won't tell you what went = through my mind about Andrew being "rough" . >>Her motivation's a little cliched (Daddy never paid attention to me, = so=20 I'm gonna fight to make everybody else notice me) but it also rings=20 true.<< I bet it rings true for alot of us out there :) >>Oh, ****! Andrew in a white suit and a glow is *not* a good thing to = see=20 at this stage. >>I love that little shrug Andrew gives before he leaves the room. That = "I'm not gonna be needed, and I'm *glad*" shrug. While it may not be exactly a "good thing" (depending on who's point of = view you're looking through), he does look good in that suit, doesn't = he?=20 And that "special little look", he's the only Angel I know who is glad = to be "cheated" out of his job. >>Wonder if they'll ever do a show where the human doesn't come around,=20 and they (and the angels) have to live with the consequences? I could=20 see Monica really beating herself up over failing her assignment. In=20 fact, that would be a good place for the episode to start... the=20 assignment having something horrible happen because they wouldn't listen = to Monica, and Monica going all depressed over it. Like in the bar,=20 only worse. Then the rest of the episode could be Tess and Andrew (and=20 Sam, and all sorts of other people) trying to convince her she's not a=20 failure as an angel because she "lost one".<< That would be one I also would like to see, as I have a "problem" with = not seeing myself as a failure when I screw up. =20 Ok, those are my thoughts. I love the scene at the end of the show with = all three fishing. Altho my favorite comment is the one I stated = earlier: Andrew to Monica: "oh so I worked for you?" sooo cute, and = typical of Andrew. :) GCALJS Diana deelady ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 21:51:46 -0400 From: deelady To: "'tbaangel @ . . .execpc.com'" Subject: TBAA and angel Stuff While surfing the internet, I came along a couple of neat sites that I = thought maybe you all may like to check out. One is = www.christianity.net, and it's for all who are christians and related = items. The other is www.netangel.com and it's all on angels and various = stories. They do have good pictures of TBAA shirts, hat, and coffe mug = that's for sale. Check it out if you get the chance. Diana=20 deelady ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 20:56:15 -0500 (CDT) From: gryphon @ . . addy.com To: tbaangel @ . . .execpc.com Subject: Re: Tonight's episode On Sun, 20 Apr 1997, deelady wrote: >Gryphon wrote: >>>Wonder if they'll ever do a show where the human doesn't come around, >and they (and the angels) have to live with the consequences? I could >see Monica really beating herself up over failing her assignment. I'm slow tonight. I just realized they *did* do this, sort of. In the John Ritter episode, where he played a teacher who was kidnapped by an ex-student. But then, that wasn't really a failure, because it turned out all right in the end, didn't it? > Altho my favorite comment is the one I stated earlier: Andrew to >Monica: "oh so I worked for you?" sooo cute, and typical of Andrew. :) Yes, I liked that line. Also the look he used with it. John has such an expressive face, doesn't he? And the symmetry of Monica at the beginning and Andrew at the end asking "What good is going fishing if you don't catch fish?" was nice, too. Judging by Tess's comment about having "all day", I'd guess our trio got a day off as a reward for succeeding with the assignment, wouldn't you? OK, I'll shut up and let the rest of you talk now. Probably. ;) Diane E # "Hydrogen. A light, colorless, odorless gas which, given # # enough time, turns into people." _The Astronomers_ # # D Echelbarger gryphon @ . . addy.com # # WWW HomePage: . # ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 22:09:42 -0400 From: deelady To: "'tbaangel @ . . .execpc.com'" Subject: RE: Tonight's episode Gryphon wrote: I'm slow tonight. I just realized they *did* do this, sort of. =20 In the John Ritter episode, where he played a teacher who was kidnapped=20 by an ex-student. But then, that wasn't really a failure, because it turned out all right=20 in the end, didn't it? I guess that makes two of us "slowpokes", as I forgot too. > Altho my favorite comment is the one I stated earlier: Andrew to=20 >Monica: "oh so I worked for you?" sooo cute, and typical of Andrew. :) Yes, I liked that line. Also the look he used with it. John has=20 such an expressive face, doesn't he? And the symmetry of Monica at the=20 beginning and Andrew at the end asking "What good is going fishing if=20 you don't catch fish?" was nice, too. Judging by Tess's comment about=20 having "all day", I'd guess our trio got a day off as a reward for=20 succeeding with the assignment, wouldn't you? I just love all the expressions John gives to Andrew!! Especially the = one in Clipped Wings where Tess was talking about how special Monica was = to her and the look on Andrew's face when she sort of added him after = the fact. *priceless* I mean, I love Andrew and all, but it tickles me = good when Monica or Tess "one ups" him, both his expressions and = "dumbfoundment" sends me laughing. That's why I love the fishing scene = at the end, Monica had to "learn" that lesson first, but then it was her = turn to "teach" it to Andrew (who is suppose to have more experience = than her), too cool!!!=20 OK, I'll shut up and let the rest of you talk now. Probably. ;) Awww come on, chat away..... it's not like there is a whole lot of = talking tonight. I wonder where everyone is? Diana=20 deelady ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 21:09:51 -0700 From: Kevin Brown To: "tbaangel @ . . .execpc.com" , "'gryphon @ . . addy.com'" Subject: RE: Tonight's episode MSG.dns.addy.com> > From: gryphon @ . . addy.com[SMTP:gryphon @ . . addy.com] > > On Sun, 20 Apr 1997, deelady wrote: > > >Gryphon wrote: > > >>>Wonder if they'll ever do a show where the human doesn't come > around, > > >and they (and the angels) have to live with the consequences? I > could > > >see Monica really beating herself up over failing her assignment. > > > > I'm slow tonight. I just realized they *did* do this, sort > of. > > In the John Ritter episode, where he played a teacher who was > kidnapped > > by an ex-student. The entire Promised Land pilot happened because the human didn't listen to Monica. (THERE! I worked PL back into the list! Bwa-ha-ha-ha!) Also remember the father/son on death row. The father rejected Tess in the past. We didn't get to see it, but she told the story. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 00:03:00 -0400 (EDT) From: SMGMN @ . . .addy.com To: tbaangel @ . . .execpc.com Subject: Re: TBAA and angel Stuff I've seen the TBAA shirts and coffee mugs for sale too, and the best part is that the place that's selling them is from Minneapolis, MN! So it would probably wouldn't be all that far for me to try and find the place! A TBAA fan always, Sue ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 08:22:52 -0400 From: Jan Plemons To: Tbaangel @ . . .execpc.com Subject: John Schneider comment Ok, so I'm a Dukes of Hazzard fan and I'm really excited about this Friday's reunion movie. I found a transcript where John was on AOL and he made the following comment about Della: Question: When you worked on "Touched by an Angel," was Della Reece as nice as she comes across on the TV? SchndrJohn: Yes, Della Reece is a very sweet lady with a wonderful voice and a very calming spirit about her. I'm glad that you noticed that and believe that her personality is one of the highlights of that show. And I love the show! Just thought y'all might be interested! Jan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 08:51:27 -0400 (EDT) From: JCWEAVER @ . . .addy.com To: tbaangel @ . . .execpc.com Subject: Re: As I watch TBAA Mine was, " 'Mr. Machine''? And she is guarding the next President of the United States. That is very scary!" ;) jcweaver reseda ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 09:27:39 -0500 (CDT) From: Darla Bradley To: tbaangel @ . . .execpc.com Subject: Unidentified subject! >The first time I saw this episode I didn't recognize Andrew either, I think this was the first time I saw him with his hair pulled back. And the funniest comment was my Mom (who generally hates guys with long hair) saying she thought he looked better with his hair pulled back!! Sometimes I wonder if I truely am my mother's child??!! (I prefer men with their hair down :)). John/Andrew could be dressed like a punk-rocker, sport a mohawk, and have his nose pierced, and he would *still* be adorable!!! :)-- Love to All. . .and miles of smiles ! :) Darla -------------------------------- End of tbaangel-d Digest V97 Issue #43 **************************************