tbaangel-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 67 Today's Topics: Re: Saturday's ep Unidentified subject! Clarification and Saturday's ep Re: Saturday's ep Roma's pic Saturday's ep The petition RE: Saturday's ep RE: Saturday's ep Re: The petition Timelines, crisis's Tonight's ep Re: Using our Angel-boy for PL ratings Re: Roma 1 of 50 most beautifull people '97 Re: Roma 1 of 50 most beautifull people '97 Tonight's episode Cosby ep/YKYBWTMTBAAW... Re: Cosby ep/YKYBWTMTBAAW... too much tbaa Sunday night ep Sunday's ep Re: Using our Angel-boy for PL ratings ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 11:19:27 -0400 (EDT) From: JustReno @ .addy.com To: tbaangel @ .addy.com Subject: Re: Saturday's ep I enjoyed Saturday's ep as well. I was getting a bit worried that they were (and are) using less Tess, but tonight was less Monica and so much more Andrew. Are we getting too much of a good thing? Will we (well, the Androolers anyway) become spoiled? You can really tell when one of the angels are used less......or more. I know that I would be unhappy if Tess becomes less important. The ep was very good and quite enlightening. Yes, there really are people like Carolyn, and I'm not so sure she would have "turned around" so quickly....but then, with the Divine Trio everything is possible. I wonder: Now that we know Taylor (such a nice name) is an angel, will he continue with the group home? Andrew sure can't. What happens to these jobs when the angels move on? later, di aka Reno ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 12:29:33 -0400 (EDT) From: ERIC ISENBARGER To: TBAA Subject: Unidentified subject! Quick spark: In the closing credits, one name caught my eye: Talent Coordinator for Actors with Disabilities: Gail Williamson. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 12:16:38 -0500 From: Jenna Mead To: tbaangel @ .addy.com Subject: Clarification and Saturday's ep In reply to: > He might not have had the option of not doing the show. TrbblTrubl @ .addy.com wrote: > Actually from what I heard John Dye had other offers and turned them >down because he liked TBAA. Actually, I meant that he is now under *contract* to TBAA, and his contract could call for him to do a cross-over episode of PL if requested. And even if he wasn't *required* to do a PL episode, the fact that they *wanted him* was a boost to his career, and he'd better think twice before turning it down. I think JD's too smart to "no, you're just using me as a ratings ploy. I don't want to be on PL unless you write a whole episode around me...". Acting like you're *too good* to make a cameo appearance on PL would be a good way to tick off-the boss, IMO ;-), sorry if I wasn't clear. I thought that Saturday's ep was very good. Though I thought Carolyn's bigotry (for lack of a better word) was a little heavy-handed, but they have about 50 minutes to tell the whole story, so they pretty well have to be. gryphon @ .addy.com wrote: > But she'd > apparently never worked-- stayed home and took care of two generations > of family members-- I missed it the first time too, but she worked as an IRS auditor. I figured she was in the hospital 2 or 3 weeks because it was supposed to be 4 weeks between the time she got the letter and when the rose people came. And I also figured Tess was taking care of her (which doesn't mean there couldn't have been a nurse around--off-camera--to do the dirty-work), and that after the storm scene ended with her calling for help someone responded and got her back in bed. I also like Chris Burke as an angel, pragmatist that I am though, I see it as an easier way to have him back as a guest star than if he hadn't been an angel. The best thing I liked about the episode was all the screen-time John Dye/Andrew got! Plus, he looked *drop-dead gorgeous* (how appropriate an expression) throughout (no ponytail/severe-look scenes). Now that's what I call *Must See TV* (my apologies to NBC! ;-)). Now, that gives me an idea, can't you just see the AOD saying "CBS, Welcome Home", humm.... Jenna ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 14:02:39 -0400 (EDT) From: TrbblTrubl @ .addy.com To: tbaangel @ .addy.com Subject: Re: Saturday's ep In a message dated 97-05-11 10:47:33 EDT, you write: << Well, but we don't know she *wasn't* in rehab, do we? There was that line of Tess's that the other two group home residents had been helping her "since you went into the hospital". Me, I just assumed a few weeks had passed between her getting carted off to the hospital and her coming home again. >> She would have been in a rehab hospital alot longer than just a couple of weeks. Belive me. I have firsthand knowledge of this. Lisa ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 13:44:35 +0000 From: "Ray Simard" To: TBAAngel @ .addy.com Subject: Roma's pic Naturally, Roma looks angelically beautiful in People (how could she not?). I think the picture has a kind of sophisticated look to it, contrasting with Monica's charmingly childlike and sometimes naive character ("... and [somebody} may have won a million dollars!" Love it!) I'm guessing that the motion-blurred item in her hand is supposed to suggest the handkerchief that transforms to the dove in the opening credits. Anyone have a thought on that? Is it just me, or does anyone else see something of a resemblance between Roma and the picture of Mia Hamm on page 90? -- Ray Simard rsimard @ .addy.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 13:44:35 +0000 From: "Ray Simard" To: TBAAngel @ .addy.com Subject: Saturday's ep Once again, TBAA scores a hit, making the case for love and acceptance of certain people who are often feared and excluded. Chris Burke was terrific! And I felt like cheering when the neighbor began addressing Carolyn in the same condescending way she had once addressed one of the Down's Syndrome characters. And I loved how Tess stopped the car with her foot, and the look on her face when she did. I also didn't guess that Taylor was an angel. What a point that even the other angels had underestimated his abilities! I did have some thoughts about some of the show's technical aspects. I don't think these detracted from it, at least not much, but I might have done a few things differently. - I think some of Tess' monologues were jusst too long, at least, too often. Part of Tess' charm is her crisp, laconic and often witty way of making a point. But this time she seemed uncharacteristically wordy, even with Monica at the beginning. A few times, some of the other characters seemed to be the same, though not as often. - Early on, Carolyn was usually shown as shhe looks just after getting up, disheveled and a bit groggy (don't we all right about then? :-)). That seems to have been deliberate, but if so, the reason escapes me (anyone have thoughts on that?). Her a high-pressure, image-conscious character could have been emphasized by initially showing her further on in her preparations for the day, after she's spiffed herself up a little. That way, the sharp contrast between that image and her haggard appearance after the stroke could have been more dramatic. - As someone mentioned, her derision of thee home and its occupants was a wee bit overdone. The scornful "THOSE people" could have been varied after a few usages. - Carolyn had come to accept Taylor in her home for some of her physical therapy, even if reluctantly, at the point when he was helping her in the wheelchair and the neighbor burst in thinking he was harming her. She must have been persuaded somehow to allow that. The transition left me a bit confused for a while; I'd like to have seen that being done. - Someone said that lately the angel-light hasn't been what it once was. In this case, at the time Monica and then Taylor reveal themseles as angels there was bright sunlight from the window behind them and it was hard to tell that there was angel-light at all, especially with Taylor. Of course, with Taylor lacking the longer hair that helps make the light work for the others, it was more difficult. I'd like to have seen the petition invalidated when Carolyn couldn't verify her signature. Seeing her experience for herself how a disability so often frustrates the effort to achieve a goal might have added to the show's message. Later on the petition would have had to be revived somehow; perhaps the neighbor would have taken up the cause. Just IMHO, of course, and in any case, still a powerful episode. -- Ray Simard rsimard @ .addy.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 15:26:56 -0700 (MST) From: Dorothy E Tinkler To: tbaa Subject: The petition Hi everyone: Just one question here. At the end, they get a letter saying that their petition has been granted and that the group home will be closed by the government. Right? Then Tess and Carolyn tear it up and imply that the issue is closed. How? If the closure is already in the works, I would think that it was too late, and just because Carolyn had changed her mind that doesn't mean the rest of the neighborhood had. Sorry, I had a few other problems with this episode, not one of my favorites, but I am glad that the feeling is not universal. Dorothy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 16:21:05 -0700 From: Kevin Brown To: "tbaangel @ .addy.com" , "'TrbblTrubl @ .addy.com'" Subject: RE: Saturday's ep MSG.dns.addy.com> > From: TrbblTrubl @ .addy.com[SMTP:TrbblTrubl @ .addy.com] > > Carolyn would not have been allowed home so soon after a stroke, she > would > > have been in a rehab hospital. and if she was home there would have > been a > > nurse with her 27/7. Wow. Long days where you live. Ours are only 24 hours long. You're right, but it was in the script so they had to let her go home. > > Taylor wouldn't have been helping her with physical > > therepy and she would not have been allowed to get up on her own, > with out a > > cane AND a person to support her. That's the one that I yelled at. They had just made the point that she couldn't sit up on her own and then she stands up and walks. Yeah, right. > > My grandfather had a stroke and it happened the same way. > > How many agree with me? Sure. I agree that your grandfather had a stroke... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 16:22:39 -0700 From: Kevin Brown To: "'Touched by an Angel'" Subject: RE: Saturday's ep MSG.dns.addy.com> > From: gryphon @ .addy.com[SMTP:gryphon @ .addy.com] > > Finally, it's just possible that she didn't have health insurance, > and > > so couldn't *afford* a live-in nurse. Yes, I know, she owned a > > beautiful house in an obviously upscale neighborhood. But she'd > > apparently never worked-- stayed home and took care of two > generations > > of family members-- and it's quite possible she's just been paying > > health care out of her own pocket. You'd be amazed the number of > > supposedly well-off people who do that, and are absolutely > devastated > > financially when a majory disaster hits. Especially considering the only car she could afford was 40 years old! I hate it when a great car like that is wasted on the slow, cautious drivers. I wonder if it's for sale. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 18:50:36 -0500 (CDT) From: gryphon @ .addy.com To: tbaangel @ .addy.com Subject: Re: The petition >Just one question here. At the end, they get a letter saying that >their petition has been granted and that the group home will be closed > If the closure is already in the works, I would think that it was too >late, and just because Carolyn had changed her mind that doesn't mean >the rest of the neighborhood had. I thought of this, too. But I've come to the conclusion that stuff like that will be SOP with TBAA, because they seem to feel required to tie everything into a nice, happy "feel-good" bundle at the end of every episode, even if it doesn't make a lot of sense. (Like the nursing home coordinator in "Missing in Action" suddenly going all mushy over the piano. I thought that was a bit pushed, too.) Personally, I'd have been just as happy if they'd ended with Carolyn and the obnoxious woman across the street saying something like "We've got to stop this horrible thing we've started!" with the implication that now they were going to fight "on the side of the angels". (sorry, couldn't resist the pun) Oh, and did anyone else notice an important point of "canon" made by this episode? Until now, I've been assuming (for no very good reason, I admit) that all angels could recognize another angel when they met him/her. But now we have *very* convincing proof that they can't! Or, maybe, that they can't unless they think to check-- that seems to be implied in Taylor's lovely comeback to Tess's indignant "Why wasn't I told?": "You shouldn't have to have been." Did anybody else, when that scene took place, enjoy watching Tess taken down a peg? I love the character, but she can be awfully bossy and know-it-all sometimes. I suspect Taylor's little rebuke will do her a lot of good. :) Also, I found Taylor's comment that "God made an angel with disabilities" interesting. Not "God gave an angel a human form with disabilities"... implying that Taylor has those limitations *even when he's not in human form*. And I'd think that would make Taylor unique enough that Monica, Tess, and Andrew *would* have heard of him (how many angels in heaven have Down's Syndrome, a decidedly human genetic condition?) unless he was a very new creation. Which brings up another entire can of worms, doesn't it? As long as I'm on a roll here... About Carolyn being home too fast after her stroke, needing more recovery time, etc. I spend all day reading and interpreting medical records as part of my job, and the damage by and recovery rates from strokes vary *enormously*. The damage can be as simple as a barely-noticeable droopy eyelid or lisp, or as devastating as total loss of muscular control on one side of the body, memory gaps, personality changes, and/or a literal loss of intelligence ("IQ points"). I don't doubt that TrbblTrubl, who said that she knew first-hand how long it takes stroke patients to recover *was* speaking from what she experienced with her grandfather, but our brains are enormously complex, and you really can't generalize from one case of stroke to another. My job would be a *lot* easier if you could, because a good part of what I do is figuring out how much functional ability a person has left, but you can't. That's why I didn't really have a problem with her recovery, or with Tess being her sole "live-in" caretaker (with Taylor filling in when Tess needed to be elsewhere), as seemed to be implied. Although I agree she went from not being able to sit up to walking with literally miraculous speed. But as Kevin pointed out, they only had fifty minutes. Maybe they should have made it simpler, and given her less severe effects-- say a speech deficit and hand weakness? That would have left her in shape to still receive the scorn of her neighbor & the signature man. But then, of course, Taylor couldn't have gotten yelled at for helping her with PT, could he? ;) My, I have babbled on, haven't I? I'll stop now. At least until I think of something else to say. :) Diane E # "Hydrogen. A light, colorless, odorless gas which, given # # enough time, turns into people." _The Astronomers_ # # D Echelbarger gryphon @ .addy.com # # WWW HomePage: . # ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 14:39:00 -0800 From: GJ Berg To: TBAAngel @ .addy.com Subject: Timelines, crisis's WRT the length of stay in a rehab hospital, the entertainment industry takes a creative license with many timelines. I remember reading Catherine Marshall's description of the filming of the movie from the book about her late husband, A Man Called Peter (both great, IMHO), that they moved entire scenarios around, by years, like the timing of her illness, to create a more emphatic crisis. And in the Sound of Music, Maria did not meet the von Trapp family with quite that much animosity, nor were the Nazi's on their tail to get out of Austria after the festival (Maria & the Captain were in Vienna I believe at a cafe and saw Hitler across the room and resolved never to be invited to sing for him). And then there's the Walter Farley books where Alec & the Black have an entire summer-long adventure in the two spring weeks between the Kentucky Derby and the Preakness. But hey, it's fiction most of the time, right? With a good heart. And: Andrew is adorable, Monica is gorgeous, Tess is terrific, Taylor is touching, Dottie is delightful, Sam is super... (Anyone interested in creating a TBAA-L pin?) Gail J Berg equitog @ .addy.com .addy. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 21:05:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Everheart @ .addy.com To: tbaangel @ .addy.com Subject: Tonight's ep Gee! Looks like Ruth finally had that operation to remove that big ol' stick from her^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^ --NO CARRIER-- --Ann Everheart @ .addy.com O:) >;) O:) >;) O:) >;) O:) >;) O:) >;) O:) >;) O:) >;) O:) >;) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 21:24:35 -0400 (EDT) From: IDyeForYou @ .addy.com To: tbaangel @ .addy.com Subject: Re: Using our Angel-boy for PL ratings In a message dated 97-05-10 22:38:43 EDT, you write: << << He might not have had the option of not doing the show. Besides, network hype is generally a good thing in an actor's career. It means they realize they're onto a good thing, and that has *got* to be good for our favorite angel-boy. >> Actually from what I heard John Dye had other offers and turned them down because he liked TBAA. Lisa Ann >> I think what the original poster meant..was that John had no option about doing PL..not TBAA. I am not sure of the details of how much choice he had...but I do know both shows are done by the same people and he does work for them... As for what Lisa Ann said...while it had nothing to do with this point...John had several things in the works when TBAA came along....he chose TBAA because he believed in the show, because he was friends with Martha and because he was allowed input into the character. He says the show has been a blessing for him... Susan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 21:28:20 -0400 (EDT) From: IDyeForYou @ .addy.com To: tbaangel @ .addy.com Subject: Re: Roma 1 of 50 most beautifull people '97 In a message dated 97-05-10 22:54:19 EDT, you write: << < > I recently picked up the current issue of People and they covered the top 50 > beautiful people this year. Roma Downey (Monica) was mentioned. The only > thing I've got to ask is whay they didn't have a picture of her? Could it be that it might make the other 49 jealous? :-) -- >> MY question is "Why wasn't John Dye among them?" He's definately got the looks for it. I mean (and not to offend anyone here) they put in David Duchovny last year and he's nowhere near as good looking as John. Just my $.02 Lisa >> First of all...there is a photo...at least in my issue...not sure what this is about. As for John....I agree he should have been there..but John is very new in the celeb circle and I am positive he'll make it next year. He is ecstatic about the fact that they used his quote in Roma's little article.... Susan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 21:29:10 -0400 (EDT) From: IDyeForYou @ .addy.com To: tbaangel @ .addy.com Subject: Re: Roma 1 of 50 most beautifull people '97 In a message dated 97-05-10 23:28:03 EDT, you write: << Not in my issue. After the introduction page and the recap from previous years (57, 65 -???) the next thing I see is Spice Girls and while I'm a Spice man I'd like to see Roma!!! >> Demand a refund...or a real issue...her photo and article is on 74-75....right before Cuba Gooding Jr. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 20:29:56 -0500 (CDT) From: gryphon @ .addy.com To: tbaangel @ .addy.com Subject: Tonight's episode For starters, does anybody know the title? I really wish they'd list it in the opening credits... (although that wouldn't help me this time, because I missed 'em) Talk about guest angels! This ep had Ruth, Phil, The Angel of Music (missed his name), Sam... did I miss anybody? And does anybody else recognize the actor who played the bartender? He's *very* familiar somehow... although it could just be that he reminds me of a friend of mine. I do think I've seen him in something else, though. (The actor, not my friend. ) I did like the performances, but I didn't think this ep was very well written. Here are the two things that struck me most: I can't help but wonder what makes *this* spoiled rich kid so special that he gets the undivided attention of *seven* angels? The way it was written, this episode could be interpreted to imply you can _buy_ God's help-- just give enough to charity and He'll send a whole platoon of angels to straighten out the son you spoiled rotten! I don't believe that, myself, but it's an inference you *could* make from the way this episode was written. Which is very unfortunate, IMHO. I also think this is another episode where the character just turned around too darn fast. At the half-way point, he's still whining and acting like he thinks the world owes him a living. He didn't appear to believe in anything but his own self-centeredness when he walked into the bank, yet he accepted that Tess and Monica were angels without batting an eyelash. I really expected him to come back with some smart-mouthed comment. And then, after storming off in a Right Royal Tiff, he stands quietly while Phil (a wonderful performance by Cosby, BTW) explains things to him, and just accepts it? A 180 in five seconds? I know Saul of Tarsus did it in about that time, but it struck me as rushed. It's as if the writers said, "Oh, no, we're at the third commercial break and he hasn't been redeemed yet! We've got to tie this up *now*." Of course, if I didn't love this show so much, I wouldn't expect so much from it. It's disappointing when they fall *so* far short of what I know they *can* do..... Although at least they didn't leave the question "who will run the orphanage(group home/halfway house) when Ruth(Andrew/Tess) leaves" up in the air, this time. :) Diane E # "Hydrogen. A light, colorless, odorless gas which, given # # enough time, turns into people." _The Astronomers_ # # D Echelbarger gryphon @ .addy.com # # WWW HomePage: . # ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 18:46:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Tina Goin To: tbaangel @ .addy.com Subject: Cosby ep/YKYBWTMTBAAW... Greetings from the Lone Star state, MAN - two great ep's in one weekend!! Are we lucky or what? I loved the beginning, when Andrew told the father that he was going to die, but that he had one hour yet to live. That was kinda along the same lines as "Into the Light"; James got a second chance, and this man got one last chance to make everything right before his death. In some ways, that would be nice, but let's be honest, how many of us could really fix everything we'd want to fix in one hour? I couldn't even start. It was cool that Kevin was able to learn to accept the gift his fathers gave him - yes, I mean father*s* - and use it to better his own life as well as the life of that sweet little baby. And Ruth - she decided to take tess's advice, push away from the desk and get back to the treches! Good for her! Great ep all around, although as a member of J/AiA, I would've liked to see a bit more of Andrew! :P Hey ya'll, how about this one: You know you've been watching too much Touched By An Angel when you start thinking TBAA stands for "Touched By Angel Andrew"!! Take care and God Bless, === Tina _____________________________________________________________________ Sent by RocketMail. Get your free e-mail at http://www.addy.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 21:47:14 -0400 (EDT) From: JustReno @ .addy.com To: tbaangel @ .addy.com Subject: Re: Cosby ep/YKYBWTMTBAAW... I agree this was a good ep. Bill Cosby was used quite well. BUT. ... Now, I know it's television. I even know we only have an hour, (46 minutes actually) to do a story, but somehow I doubt this spoiled rich boy could be changed over as quickly as he was......over a baby. No, I liked it, don't get me wrong, but it did stretch my acceptance....as well as how many angels to fix this kid? 1,2,3,4,5 and don't forget Sam and the blues singer (can't remember his name, he was quite fine.) Maybe I'm just in a mood (more than likely PMS, sorry to the guys here,) so please forgive this rant. Good show, gang anyway, they used the trio most efficiently...... later, Reno ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 21:52:19 -0400 From: Diana Seals-Hopkins To: "'tbaangel @ .addy.com'" Subject: too much tbaa You wrote: >> Hey ya'll, how about this one: You know you've been watching too much Touched By An Angel when you start thinking TBAA stands for "Touched By Angel Andrew"!!<< OOOhhhhh I *like* it !!! Count me in on that line !!! =20 I do have one quick opinion on tonights episode ... I loved the jam = sesson with Tess, man they can really get things rockin'. I'd love to = get a copy of that song... anyone know where I can? Of course it would = have been even more exciting if they would have allowed Andrew to sing = too. When are they ever going to allow our "angelboy" his moment? JMTCW Fellow J/AiA member Diana ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 20:59:14 -0500 From: Susan Petersen To: "'TBAA Posting'" Subject: Sunday night ep although as a member of J/AiA, I would've liked to see a bit more of Andrew! :P Hi All,=20 I was wondering what J/AiA stands for.=20 As for tonights ep., I loved it. Actually, I don't think it is possible = for me to not like an ep., I may like some more than others, but I still = love em all...;) I was really impressed with Cosby's part. He added just that touch of = humor to his part and he did it really well cosidering the loss he = recently suffered. I would love to see him in future eps. as Phil. Also, = did anyone else love that outfit Monica was wearing just before the baby = was discovered? I would love to aquire some of the clothes she wears on = the show.=20 And a little off the topic, I think there might have been some confusion = between me and another Susan on this list. I'm the one who wrote the bio = about myself a few days ago. I just joined the list and I sign my name = Susan P. I just wanted to avoid anymore confusion...;p Thanks...;) And the last comment on this posting, did anyone else enjoy Della = singing? I love her voice and really enjoy when she gets a chance to = sing on the show.=20 Al for now, Susan P ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 21:24:00 -0500 From: Jenna Mead To: tbaangel @ .addy.com Subject: Sunday's ep Hi all, Have to say I thought the ep was pretty mediocre. Too many guest angels, and not enough of our regulars. Kind of like one of those flash-back to previous shows where the regulars get a rest. Cosby was just fine (of course), I loved the music, and I loved the AOD arriving an hour early so that arrangements could be made. I just didn't think it was much of a story. Sorry, I don't buy the selfish, angry young man reforming that quickly, much less *wanting* to take on the responsibility of a baby. Nor do I think he should bumped to the front of the adoption lists and be given a baby to raise. That's just a little too *precious* for me. I think I would have preferred... well, about anything. Certainly, it seems to me that they could have left both Ruth and Sam out and used the regulars in those spots. Leave out the whole baby angle, and just have him decide that he wants to follow his dream of being a musician and let the orphanage have the money. Less angry, spoiled, selfish jerk scenes and more actual plot would have suited me better. I won't be wearing out my VCR rewatching this one. Jenna ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 22:33:46 -0400 (EDT) From: TrbblTrubl @ .addy.com To: tbaangel @ .addy.com Subject: Re: Using our Angel-boy for PL ratings In a message dated 97-05-11 21:46:38 EDT, you write: << >> I think what the original poster meant..was that John had no option about doing PL..not TBAA. I am not sure of the details of how much choice he had...but I do know both shows are done by the same people and he does work for them... >> I don't know if I explained this, but I was on 3 different cold meds while reading that email, one of them with codeine.....that is why I read it wrong, or missed a couple of lines. -------------------------------- End of tbaangel-d Digest V97 Issue #67 **************************************