tbaangel-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 69 Today's Topics: re: Re: Roma in People's 50 Most Beautiful Re: Roma in People's 50 Most Beautiful re: RE: The Stars about Sunday's ep, Kevin looked familiar, and Baby angels? Re: The Stars Re: about Sunday's ep, Kevin looked familiar, and Baby angels? All three makes TBAA "Special" Unidentified subject! soapbox and such re: soapbox and such Crying... JD Sunday's ep Re: soapbox and such Re: soapbox and such Re: Roma in People's 50 Most Beautiful "Bus" for Roma Re: Civil War Ep ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 97 14:53:45 EDT From: "Michael Miller" To: Subject: re: Re: Roma in People's 50 Most Beautiful >I don't think anyone in this discussion is trying to insinuate that we are >after the John Dye Show. I also believe the power of the show is between the >3 of them. That was my original point. And yes, there is great chemistry >between Della and Roma...but there is great chemistry between John and Roma >and John and Della as well. I don't recall anyone saying anything about the John Dye show either. AND I agree that there is chemistry between ALL of them. >I don't really understand how a little fun and silly fan drooling over Monica >or Andrew has now appeared to turn into a war over "My angel is better or >more important or more necessary than your angel" and I personally am not >gonna play this one anymore. I don't recall seeing it as a war over who is the better angel..... >I will continue to Androol and not apologize for it..but knowing the mutual >love and respect that exists between these three lovely people...I am going >to choose to see them as equally talented....equally important and equally >loved. No one is asking you to apologize for likeing John/Andrew. All I was trying to say is there is no show without Della and Roma. Mike ************************************************************* Only the individual sender is responsible for the content of this message, and the message does not necessarily reflect the position or policy of the National Education Association or NEA Member Benefits. ************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 14:13:49 -0700 From: Lorie To: tbaangel @ .addy.com Subject: Re: Roma in People's 50 Most Beautiful I suppose before I bombard you with my humble opinions and observations, I should introduce myself a little. My name is Lorie, and I do find myself a member of the Androolers. I would also like to join the J/AiA. I guess I've been watching TBAA on & off since I first found it in '95; the beginning of this season I became more of a regular watcher (sometimes I missed it because of church if the VCR wasn't set or loaded). Now... <> God is, after all, the Creator of the 3-in-1 concept. What's the Scripture? A threefold cord is not quickly broken? (Ecc 4:12, if you're interested) In all honesty, I don't think the show was as strong when it was just Tess & Monica; and I don't think it would be as strong if they added a fourth regular. But the 3 working together creates a balance that fits in with the things of God. Of course, that's just my ever so humble opinion. May you walk in the favor of God, Lorie -- ******************************************************************** Lorie Knapp loriek @ .addy.net Rockefeller ~~~ Pup in Residence RockysMail @ .addy.com http://members.addy.com/rockysmail/rocky.htm In-House Design --- desktop publishing services & Web page design InHouseD77 @ .addy.com http://members.addy.com/crossrail/knightes.htm ******************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 97 15:19:57 EDT From: "Michael Miller" To: Subject: re: RE: The Stars charset=US-ASCII >Do you actually believe that if John left the show, there would be no = >change or affect on the show, cast or stories? Think about it for a = No. Look at Seasons 1 and 2. In Season 2 he appeared more frequently, but in those episodes that he was not in, the show was not affected. Mike ************************************************************* Only the individual sender is responsible for the content of this message, and the message does not necessarily reflect the position or policy of the National Education Association or NEA Member Benefits. ************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 12:38:40 -0700 From: az483 @ .addy.org (Mark Panitz) To: tbaangel @ .addy.com Subject: about Sunday's ep, Kevin looked familiar, and Baby angels? About Sundays eposide- my comments, first off, Kevin sure looked like the same actor who is on Diagnosis Murder (also on CBS) my 2nd thought, I was that baby was probably an angel too! -- As Per US Code, Title 47, Chapter 5,Subchapter II 227 Unsolicited commercial advertising is NOT Welcome here Mark Panitz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 15:38:44 -0400 (EDT) From: SMGMN @ .addy.com To: tbaangel @ .addy.com Subject: Re: The Stars In a message dated 97-05-12 13:39:50 EDT, you write: << I also think that if Della and Roma were to leave the show and it would only be John Dye, there would be no show. He is not enough of a "presence" to carry the show by himself. Plus, I don't think the show would work without either Della or Roma. (i.e., Della, John or Roma, John). Della and Roma have a chemistry that NO ONE can touch! >> I think that we all need to keeep in mind the angels' specific roles here. When the series first started it was featuring Monica as the main (and only) caseworker, with the help and support from Tess her supervisor, with visits from the angel of death (AOD), Adam, at the times when it was necessary, plus other occasional guest starring angels (such as Sam who first appeared on the first season). Of course that all changed somewhat last season with addition of Andrew with the AOD, as he certainly was great at lending his help and support to Monica with her case work. Of course now with this season, we are have seeing a bit less of Monica, from time to time, on some of the shows (and the reason for which which is certainly very understandable with this season as with Roma being a new mother and I would imagine wanting to spend as much time as possible with Reilly) and more of Andrew, she still does seem to be the main case worker (though of course Andrew does help out more and does occasionally take on cases himself, especially when "multiple" angels are needed) but since we just haven't maybe seen as much of her as in the past two seasons, I feel that having Andrew on has been a great asset to the show, and really enhances the feeling, though I still prefer seeing him doing his AOD duties best (like in last nights ep). After all, how many of us when it's our time to "go", wouldn't mind being escorted by him! I just don't get into this "swooning" and "drooling" stuff over him, as I respect John Dye for what he is and that's being a very fine actor, who brings incredible depth and sensitivity to the character of Andrew. Also, with all of the media appearences that Roma has done lately, a lot of you are always hoping and wishing that you'll be seeing some of John, but perhaps he's a bit more shy and more private in real life, where maybe he isn't as comfortable with the attention as she might be. She also has a lot of interesting traits of her past, including what were probably some very rough times (growing up in war torn Northern Ireland, losing her parents so young, a failed first marriage) and now a very happy home life with David and Reilly of course, so I think that just makes her very appealing (and what a positive person to have as a media subject, especially when compared to so many other celebs out there, who are are often so vain and shallow) for the media to pick up on especially since some of the media sources seem to really enjoy featuring celeb moms with young children. However hopefully we'll be seeing a bit more of John to come yet! I know that this got to be long, but I just thought that I'd add my $2.00 worth! A TBAA fan always, Sue ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 15:45:53 -0400 From: Jack Koke To: tbaangel @ .addy.com Subject: Re: about Sunday's ep, Kevin looked familiar, and Baby angels? At 12:38 PM 5/12/97 -0700, you wrote: > >About Sundays eposide- my comments, first off, Kevin sure looked >like the same actor who is on Diagnosis Murder (also on CBS) >my 2nd thought, I was that baby was probably an angel too! > >-- >As Per US Code, Title 47, Chapter 5,Subchapter II 227 >Unsolicited commercial advertising is NOT Welcome here >Mark Panitz > > FYI, He is the same actor who plays on Diagnosis Murder. IN CHRIST'S NAME AND LOVE FOREVER Jackson ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 15:20:54 -0500 (CDT) From: Darla Bradley To: tbaangel @ .addy.com Subject: All three makes TBAA "Special" I had this letter in the "can," ready to send, *before* I read Susan Sullivan's latest post. it's basically reiterating what Susan has said. I'm expressing my true feelings here, although I cannot even come *close* to Susan's insight on the issue. I do not personally know Della, John or Roma, but I believe that they are truly as genuine and sincere in both their personal and professional relationships with each other as they have stated, and as the media has portrayed them to be. I wanted to share my own thoughts with you all, anyway. . . Michael Miller wrote: >Actually, I think that Della Reese and Roma Downey are the stars of the show, >with John Dye as one of the supporting actors. Although, I think with this >season that he is moving into a co-starring role. I do not agree with you that Roma and Della are the "stars". . .sorry, Michael! (This is IMHO) To paraphrase Susan. . ."they are [all] a team, and wouldn't want us fighting over who is best." These three people have such love for each other, both on and off the set, and so much chemistry going for them onscreen, that to take any one of them away from the others would be doing both them (and all TBAA fans) a *big* disservice! The "magic" that happens when any two or all three are onscreen together gives TBAA a huge chunk of its appeal. (Each is great *alone*, also!) Those folks at casting sure know their business! Casting, talent, friendship, professionalism, faith, belief in the show, and its message. . .the "rest" of its appeal. . .all these things combined make TBAA the *best* show on television today! I'm not just saying all this because I'm an "Androoler," either, although I will admit without shame, and with all my heart, that I am! Andrew's presence just makes a good thing even better! :) Lorie wrote: >In all honesty, I don't think the show was as strong when it >was just Tess & Monica; and I don't think it would be as strong if they >added a fourth regular. But the 3 working together creates a balance >that fits in with the things of God. Thank you, Lorie. . .this portion of your post, as well as the rest of it, was beautifully stated. BTW. . .hop on the "bus". . .welcome to J/AiA! You're welcome to sit with me, anytime. . .as long as I get the "window seat!" I *do* enjoy daydreaming, and gazing out the window from time to time! We don't want to gaze at our driver *all* the time. . .we'll make him *nervous*! ;) As for the "award," guys. . .nice sentiment, but I'm sure John already knows how we all feel about him. . .don't you think? ;) Sorry I got so long-winded. . .I was trying to combine my replies to a number of posts. Love you all, :) Darla ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 15:21:20 -0500 (CDT) From: Darla Bradley To: tbaangel @ .addy.com Subject: Unidentified subject! Susan P. wrote: >hey guys...can i get on this bus too...;) >Susan P Come on along. . .the more, the merrier! This bus just "grows" with each new "passenger" it takes on! There's always room for *everybody*! Love to all. . .and miles of smiles! :) Darla ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 16:46:09 -0400 From: Diana Seals-Hopkins To: "'tbaangel @ .addy.com'" Subject: soapbox and such First off hello Darla ...Patricia ... Susan (IDye), what's up = girlfriends? Thanks for the "pep talk" last night Susan, I'm back on = track now... :), you're an angel. >>To end the squabble over *who* gets to sit beside our John (Andrew) . = . .I think Susan has *earned* that right!<< And I'll gladly move for her. Coming Susan? And to all those who have asked ....yes, welcome aboard the "Magic = bus"!! Just don't forget your buckets >>BTW, most of you "younguns" probably don't know what "silly putty" is. (Hmmm. . .do they still make that = stuff?).<< Yep saw it at the store the other day!! Wanted to buy some, but = couldn't rationalize a 36 yr old playing with silly putty. Ok ... now down to serious business... I would have copied all I wanted to reply to, but there were too many... = so I hope y'all can follow this.=20 Susan (Idye) you said it best... all the Androoling and Monicadrooling = is silly and fun.... and not intented to start a war, rift, or upset = anyone.... we are all entitled to our opinions (however silly they may = be) and if someone says something that to you seems "silly" (and I'm = being nice here as there are many words I could have easly used that fit = better).... well, what do you think the delete button's for????=20 As for who's the star of the show... I think Martha answered that one = herself on Oprah... God is. (Lorie your sooo right about the cord) = Everyone else is just a "supporting player". All three "angels" are = very special in their own unique way, but it's the chemistry of the = three of them together that is making TBAA what it is today. It is = stronger now than the first or second season, and it's because of the = "magic" that flows from all (cast, crew, writers, etc) There is a quote = in the new TBAA book that goes: "God created us all in His image. = There are no second-class citizens, no minorities, no human being = greater or lesser than any other. We are all the same in His eyes." = This goes for our "angels" as well as each of us. That's not to say we = can't have our "favorites" (I have one and he's not even an angel on the = show!) ... just remember what the show is really about .... not Monica, = not Tess, not Andrew, but God and His Unconditional Love. As for the People magazine ..... I am *very* glad and thankful that Roma = did make it, and by doing so is a representative of TBAA. But I believe = all four (Martha included) should have been in there. They *are* = beautiful people, more so than some of those they listed, and voted for. = But then again, that's probably why I don't buy into alot of that = "trash". JMHO (remember there is a delete button in your mail = program). Ok ... as Susan said I'll get off my soapbox now.....=20 Carry on dudes and dudettes..... Devoted TBAA fan, Fellow J/AiA member and "bus" rider, and child of the = Man in charge upstairs. :) Diana ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 97 16:55:02 EDT From: "Michael Miller" To: Subject: re: soapbox and such charset=US-ASCII Well, I hope that I am not the one who has started a war. I just stated my opinion. However, I do agree that God is the One responsible for the success of the show. Without Him, there would be no show. I guess it disturbs me that someone would hit the delete button because the may disagree with how someone feels. I think John is a wonderful actor, I'm glad he's part of the show. But for ME, it is Monica and Tess who make the show. Maybe it is because I am a male. Who knows......... I do agree with the chemistry between the three of them. And I must admit, I would miss Andrew if he were not there. Now, this other angel they introduced, "Celeste." Now, talk about lack of chemistry. It was like being slapped with a wet dish rag. I did not care for her at all. I also am so glad that the show will be back next season!!! Mike ************************************************************* Only the individual sender is responsible for the content of this message, and the message does not necessarily reflect the position or policy of the National Education Association or NEA Member Benefits. ************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 17:13:40 EDT From: "Jenn Harmer | J/AiA Member" To: Subject: Crying... I've been thinking about this for the last few episodes. I've noticed that whenever doing the "revealing scene" or at the end when the assignment realizes what they've done wrong, and how they can fix it, Monica seems to be tearing up, almost to the point of crying... or even going so far as to actually crying. I've been wondering if it was written in the script for Monica to be crying, or Roma got caught up in the message, that it was only natural for her to cry, and the editors (smartly) left it in. Anyone either notice this or know the answer to my wondering? :-) And two more for the You Know...list. 1.) When you give your dad a picture of the angel trio to watch over him when he goes in for surgery, and say that they'll protect him. 2.) When you are flying in a plane, see clouds, and are reminded of the clouds on the show. (this is my sister's. :-) ) Love in Christ, Jenn ************************************************************************ E-Mail: sthj @ .maristc.addy.edu Quote: "Please Mr. Machine? And she's guarding the next President of the United States. This is *very* scary." -Andrew ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 14:19:43 +0000 From: "Ray Simard" To: TBAAngel @ .addy.com Subject: JD Though I'm a MiGite and not an Androoler, I absolutely agree that the show wouldn't be the same without him. They strike me as the three legs of a table. Andrew seems to have a kind of quiet and pointed wisdom about him that meshes so beautifully with Tess' exuberant manner and Monica's disarmingly ingenuous one. -- Ray Simard rsimard @ .addy.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 14:19:43 +0000 From: "Ray Simard" To: TBAAngel @ .addy.com Subject: Sunday's ep What a weekend! TBAA drew on such an impresive range of creative and dramatic style to deliver the message. Maybe that's why there are such differing opinions here about episodes; one of TBAA's great strengths is how it effectively uses such a variety of styles, so it's inevitable that different styles will appeal to different people. I can't think of any television show that has, or has had, such versatility. Saturday's episode was a moving drama, poignant and topical. Sunday's was a comedy in the theatrical sense. For me, Saturday's brought tears; Sunday's brought cheers. Sunday's opening was arresting in its unusual and surreal quality. One does not expect someone to be leaning against the wall quietly strumming and singing while a building is burning down across the street. Its elusive meaning sparked a gripping curiosity. When the credits listed Keb'Mo' as the Angel of Music it became clear who the musician was, but it remained a mystery what he was doing there, and that continued as he kept appearing, but invisible to Kevin at first. It's true that another half-hour or more would have come in handy to make things work better. Especially after seeing the first of the two-part DQMW on Saturday, that idea would have seemed possible to me were it not for the discussions in this group that made it clear that it wasn't. But as for Kevin's (seemingly) overfast transformation, I think that is more the rule than the exception with TBAA anyway. Most of the time the changes of insights and attitudes of most of TBAA's characters would more realistically take a lot of time, and I just choose to imagine that the ending we see is a dramatic allegory for a longer period, maybe even moths or years. Given that, Kevin's reaction to the baby may not seem so unbelievable if he is seeing the baby as if it were his own father years before, now that he's belatedly discovered his father's love for him. The performance of the actor playing Kevin was magnificent. He conveyed every nuance of his attitude so clearly that I could feel them almost as if they were my own. Phil was essential Bill Cosby. Watching him was like hearing those famous monologues of his youth, but now with an angelic message. His calculated and disarming airheadedness just made the messages stronger to me. Even if we didn't know about his son's death and the way that related to his message, he'd have been a hit. And the very idea of a crazy-mama angel with a lead foot is a hoot! She filled in nicely "between the cracks," making the plot's transitions at the right times. It stuck me that in the past 48 hours we've seen, in addition to our intrepid trio, a hot-rod lady angel, an angel-with-an-attitude who makes the greatest impression on the protagonist yet needs to be shown where north is, a blues-strumming angel of music, and an angel with Down's syndrome who isn't even recognized as an angel by the others. Seven angels, all so strikingly different, evoking entirely different emotions, yet all bringing love and sometimes miracles from the One who sent them - just as the real ones around us do. I love this show! -- Ray Simard rsimard @ .addy.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 17:45:23 -0400 (EDT) From: IDyeForYou @ .addy.com To: tbaangel @ .addy.com Subject: Re: soapbox and such In a message dated 97-05-12 16:50:30 EDT, you write: << >>To end the squabble over *who* gets to sit beside our John (Andrew) . . .I think Susan has *earned* that right!<< And I'll gladly move for her. Coming Susan? >> Diana, You're welcome for last night :-) As for the bus...of course I'm there... To all the Androolers.... As for sitting next to John/Andrew...well, thanks for your vote that I earned it...and I'll take my turn (complete with my own personalized Androol bucket) :-), but to get serious for a moment..since this has already come up before... ...as I told John before when he asked me about my tendency to back away from being between him and the fans when there was a chance for you all to be near him....I can talk to him, ask him questions, spend time with him (one type of time or another) pretty much anytime I want to. You all don't have that...and who am I to take up what little time you all do have with him. Now, don't misunderstand...I'm no angel...and I'm fiercely jealous of the time that is allotted to be mine and John's....but I have been on both sides of this fan issue and I won't forget your side..just cause this time I'm over here.... ok..another of my two cents worth...I think I'm up to about 6 cents now.... hugs, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 14:49:21 +0000 From: "Ray Simard" To: TBAAngel @ .addy.com Subject: Re: soapbox and such On 12 May 97 at 16:46, tbaangel @ .addy.com wrote: > From: Diana Seals-Hopkins > To: "'tbaangel @ .addy.com'" > Subject: soapbox and such > Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 16:46:09 -0400 > As for who's the star of the show... I think Martha answered that one herself on Oprah... God is. Yes! She was very firm about the conditions for taking over TBAA, and that was one of them. She goes into that in her book and there's a condensed version on the TBAA web site. > Devoted TBAA fan, Fellow J/AiA member and "bus" rider, and child of the Man in charge upstairs. :) > > Diana Hmm...there's *got* to be a bus for Roma, somewhere! -- Ray Simard rsimard @ .addy.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 17:59:44 -0400 (EDT) From: TrbblTrubl @ .addy.com To: tbaangel @ .addy.com Subject: Re: Roma in People's 50 Most Beautiful In a message dated 97-05-12 08:13:08 EDT, tbaangel @ .addy.com writes: << Some of the other TBAAers (mainly the androolers) have complained on the listserver about the fact that John Dye did not make the People's 50 Most Beautiful list along with Roma Downey. imho, these people are focusing on all the wrong things. They should, perhaps, be rejoicing in the fact that Roma, our star angel, DID! Anytime that one of our angels does something to catch the (positive) attention of the (usually-low minded) press/media, we should all rejoice & celebrate together! After all, it is the show, Touched By An Angel, that we should be pulling for. I am just so grateful that TBAA is finally beginning to get the positive publicity and attention that it so richly deserves. ***** I'm truely glad that Roma did get into the mag....she's truely beautiful and deserves to be in there. As for John's comment on Roma's "inside" beauty, well, that just shows what a true Christian and gentleman that John is. Most us of know men who would only look on the outside beauty of a woman like Roma. But John chose to look deeper, on the inside, where it really counts! That is just one of the things that impresses me so much about our heavenly trio! ********I agree...I liked his comment....it says alot about his character. Anyway, all this rambling on is just my humble opinion. Jan Lisa ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 17:04:16 -0500 (CDT) From: Darla Bradley To: tbaangel @ .addy.com Subject: "Bus" for Roma Ray wrote: >Hmm...there's *got* to be a bus for Roma, somewhere! Hi, Sweetie. . .you're *absolutely* right! We're *equal opportunity droolers*, here! ;) Have you ever heard the expression, "If you build it, they will come!" (?) Love to all. . .and miles of smiles! Darla ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 18:42:22 -0400 (EDT) From: AmilynH @ .addy.com To: tbaangel @ .addy.com Subject: Re: Civil War Ep In a message dated 97-05-12 09:39:15 EDT, Jackson wrote: >Since in the civil war, in a lot of >cases it was brother against brother, how about if they were to get brothers >fighting on the different sides to come together and make up. You know, they could even do this set several years after the war, when the rest of the family has come to terms with the conflict and settled their internal disputes and disagreements, and one or two people are still not speaking as a result. The two brothers could have both survived and still be angry with each other, thereby tearing their immediate family apart as well as refusing to allow interaction with their children. Or one or both of the brothers could have been killed, which could have caused a rift between this brother and the family or an individual in the family, or another brother and mom, or sister and mom, or mom and dad, one of whom had agreed with or favored the dead sibling and could be resentful that the other is still alive. This could be an interesting opportunity for the angels to deal with the ideas of forgivness and support, and to yet again try and deal with the idea of what family is and what one should/can expect of family. Monica always does seem particularly affected by family disputes, and although she would not be a case worker at this time, she could be there to perhaps try and prevent a suicide from the still-ostracized (or especially remorseful) family member. Tess might also be interesting to have as she would in many ways symbolize some of the issues over which at least some of the people involved made ideological decisions regarding their beliefs about some issues of the war. Bright Blessings, Amilyn (whose thoughts are now whirling around this) ----- All you had to do was admit you were wrong and I was right and everything would have been fine. --Commander Susan Ivanova -------------------------------- End of tbaangel-d Digest V97 Issue #69 **************************************